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Post by Robapps1 on Apr 3, 2007 17:53:15 GMT -5
OK I am going to write this for all of those peeps looking to build a new PC... The basics to any PC are the MOTHERBOARD, CPU, RAM, Graphics Card, Hard drive(s).... Now you can spend 5000- 7000 on a kickass PC but only to be kicked in the head a month later when something better comes out again.... My advice is to buy a decent setup with minimal money and upgrade pieces as they come down in price... I know tooo many people who got F'd when the 8800 came out and spent 800 -1000 for that card now you can get it for 300-400 bucks... AND next month when the R600 comes out by ATI you are going to see A nutsLOAD of 8800's on EBAY.....for cheap My advice on good priced (good quality) components are : MOBOS - Asus M2R32-MVP (if you like ATI Gcards) - Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe (Nvidia) - Asus STRYKER (if you like POWER) CPU - AMD 4200+DC (dual core), 4600+ DC -Intel DUO 2.4GHZ, 2.6Ghz Anything above these is way too much money right now... RAM -OCZ Plat. Gamers ED. (if you are a Gamer) -Kingston Corsair (GAMER) Anything above 800mhz (PC 6400) is getting into the expensive range... Gcards - ATI x1950 pro 512 (good DX9 card) - ATI R600 1ghz DDR4 (when it comes out WOW what a beast) -Nvidia 7950GT (good Dx9 card) -Nvidia 8800 series (if you want to spend the money) Now for the DX10 cards (why buy one if you cant utilize dx10 for another year or so)  ? The only game that uses TRUE dx10 right now is FLIGHT SIM X and then even they are not even scraping the bottom of what dx10 can do, but if you dont have the system behind the power of the Gcard whats the point??? HDD's - Western Digitals & Maxtor's & Seagates are all the same specs basically its just preference ........ If have done EXTENSIVE research on all of these products and even have BETA'd myself some of these products and I built a new PC a couple of months ago and I am very Pleased on what my PC is capable of for a mere 2000 cdn..... Asus M2R32-MVP motherboard AMD 4600+Dual Core Green Model OCZ Platinum Gamers Edition (4 x 512mb 800mhz) (2 ghz) Sapphire x1650xt 512mb GDDR3 (times 2 in CROSSFIRE) X-FI Fatal1ty Platinum 7.1 Sound Card Western Digital Caviar 160gb SATA III (times 2 in RAID) Sony Vega 27" HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor (running DVI-I) Aspire XCruzier PC case Vantec Fan Controller (6 fans) Thermaltake 850watt Power Supply (triple 12V rails) If you have any Questions on ANY of the mentioned components or ANY other ones please feel free to ask me (a third party) I am a PC tech not a salesguy.... I am not going to push something on you that is not needed nor push something that is WAYYYYY OVERPRICED and will half its price in a month or so.. ROB |
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Post by Robapps1 on Apr 3, 2007 18:03:31 GMT -5
BTW the r600 (ATI graphics card) better known as the x2600 series is kickin the crap outta the 8000GTX (even running in SLI) all across the board.. Now unlike Nvidia they are releasing 3 versions of the r600 GPU (x2600pro, x2600GT, and the x2600XTX) now prices have not been released but there are speculations on what they are comin out for *whispers* cheaper than the 8800.... It is a lil bit on the BIG size for smaller cases but with the amount of power this card is generating it is not for the garden variety PC gamer... www.overclockers.com/articles1411/ It is DX10 ready and Shader 4.0 compliant... The R600 Specs are: 64 4-Way SIMD Unified Shaders, 128 Shader Operations/Cycle 32 TMUs, 16 ROPs 512 bit Memory Controller, full 32 bit per chip connection GDDR3 at 900 MHz clock speed (January) GDDR4 at 1.1 GHz clock speed (March, revised edition) Total bandwidth 115 GB/s on GDDR3 Total bandwidth 140 GB/s on GDDR4 Consumer memory support 1024 MB DX10 full compatibility with draft DX10.1 vendor-specific cap removal (unified programming) 32FP internal processing Hardware support for GPU clustering (any 2^n number, not limited to Dual or Quad-GPU) Hardware DVI-HDCP support (High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection) Hardware Quad-DVI output support (Limited to workstation editions) 230W Multi-GPU cluster solutions will be available for the workstation market only until March, 2007. Processing Power: 105,000,000,000 SOps (Shader Operations Per Second) 2,000,000,000 TCps (Triangle Calculations Per Second) 28 GTps (Gigatexels Per Second) Like I said NOT for the garden Variety gamer this card is for pushing the limits of ANY game out there on the market right now and for the next couple of years..... Yeah I am pretty sure it will run Joint Ops fine  LMAO or blow it up LOL..... Rob |
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Post by heatman on Apr 3, 2007 18:08:07 GMT -5
all i can say is wowser and wowser again i will have 1 of those bad boys and a 1000 watt ps to push it lol.
rob you need to move to nc id keep you busy lol.
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Post by Robapps1 on Apr 3, 2007 18:11:10 GMT -5
Heat anything you need bud just ask thats what I get paid to do well not from you guys you are my boys...LOL I am here to help... Oh BTW i like my freezing cold winters tooo much oh and Health care LMAO to move from my beloved Cannuckland... Rob |
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Post by call911 on Apr 4, 2007 5:37:06 GMT -5
Heat anything you need bud just ask thats what I get paid to do well not from you guys you are my boys...LOL I am here to help... Oh BTW i like my freezing cold winters tooo much oh and Health care LMAO to move from my beloved Cannuckland... Rob R u freaking insane ;D  , I hate the freaking cold! Too many yrs in the Army sleeping a an improvised T-Shirt for a tent( if u call it that) |
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Post by SgtO42 on Apr 4, 2007 13:19:53 GMT -5
Hey Rob, is it possible to SLI or Crossfire 2 different cards (same manufacturor) or do they have to be identical models?
When you do SLI or Crossfire 2 cards do you get full advantage of the cards, is the difference so good that it's even worth it with 2 average cards? I'm thinking of upgrading my 8800 from the 320mb I have to the 640 since evga will give me 3 months to decide, not sure though.
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Post by kingme on Apr 4, 2007 15:12:15 GMT -5
I'm thinking of upgrading my 8800 from the 320mb I have to the 640 since evga will give me 3 months to decide, not sure though. Just curious Sgt042, what factor(s) are making you think of upgrading from the 320 to the 640? Like I said, I'm just curious Just some quick answers: 2 Nvidia video cards running together = SLI 2 ATI video cards running together = CROSSFIRE Nvidia unified drivers allow different brand cards to run together as long as they are of the same series. I was running a BFG 7800GT and a ASUS 7800GT in SLI. The BFG was a OC version and the ASUS was a stock version so the GPU speed defaulted to the lower speed. |
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Post by Arooke on Apr 4, 2007 15:40:21 GMT -5
Rob i was reading what you put in here and just wanted to say... First off you have NO clue what your talking about... LOL j/j Even if it was all lies id never know. I just came across an issue (i think). It would be a little easier to explain on TS but since your never on LOL. Stone is usualy on TS so ill try him and see if he can help me. Hes been awesome with all my PC problems, but hes having some issues of his own right now. So if hes busy with his ill PM you or try to get you on TS and see if you cant tell me what this means.
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Post by Robapps1 on Apr 4, 2007 18:57:43 GMT -5
LOL arooke anytime bud if you REALLY need me to jump on TS i will be there but I just hate trying to play a game and concentrating and you got some body in TS just jabbering away for nothing.... NOT saying that is what you guys do but I have had it in the past playing FS where someone is talking and talking and talking just to make conversation.... Thats why i never use it I like to hear people trying to sneak up on me....LOL
Now for Shaun's Q... Ok King is right doesnt matter about the Manufacturer most of the time (depending on if it is OC'd or not) as long as they have the same GPU(Graphics Processing Unit) or lamens terms same series x1650 with a x1650, 7800 with a 7800... Now with ATI and CROSSFIRE the older models X800, x1200, x1600, x1900, x850, if you DO NOT have a motherboard with a CROSSFIRE chipset you DO need atleast 1 CROSSFIRE edition card the other can be a regular edition... Confused yet LOL.....
Rob
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Post by SgtO42 on Apr 5, 2007 8:28:17 GMT -5
That was clear Rob, thanks!
King, I was just curious while looking through Newegg and never saw anyone use 2 different cards in their pc discription in SLI or Crossfire configuration. I know the SLI is for Nvidia and Crossfire is for Ati, I was wondering if they are the same as far as using the cards for doubling up. If one of them could use different series cards and the other couldn't it would be a huge advantage for the one that did.
My motherboard is Crossfire ready, but I'm not thinking of doing that yet, and since I got a good deal on my card at Newegg I didn't realize there were so many versions above it. I might switch up to the 640 version for smoother game play in the newer games.This card (320) helps me big time in JO compared to my Ati 9600, I can win ALOT of my on the ground gunbattles now, where with the 9600 I was lucky to win 10%. And I'm not playing any different, I was on target.
Rob I've always been a big fan of Ati, do you know where I can find info on that new card coming out? Just want to see what the next generation is gonna be able to do.
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Post by kingme on Apr 5, 2007 14:40:58 GMT -5
That was clear Rob, thanks! King, I was just curious while looking through Newegg and never saw anyone use 2 different cards in their pc discription in SLI or Crossfire configuration. I know the SLI is for Nvidia and Crossfire is for Ati, I was wondering if they are the same as far as using the cards for doubling up. If one of them could use different series cards and the other couldn't it would be a huge advantage for the one that did. My motherboard is Crossfire ready, but I'm not thinking of doing that yet, and since I got a good deal on my card at Newegg I didn't realize there were so many versions above it. I might switch up to the 640 version for smoother game play in the newer games.This card (320) helps me big time in JO compared to my Ati 9600, I can win ALOT of my on the ground gunbattles now, where with the 9600 I was lucky to win 10%. And I'm not playing any different, I was on target. Rob I've always been a big fan of Ati, do you know where I can find info on that new card coming out? Just want to see what the next generation is gonna be able to do. Rgr that Sgt042, I'm glad to hear you are having much more success with the new system! I wonder how many people were stuck in the same situation like me when I was running the miss matched 7800GT's? I had the ASUS 7800 first but waited too long to buy the second one to run in SLI... ASUS didn't make 7800GT PCIe anymore and NewEgg didn't have anymore for sale, that is why I went with the BFG 7800GT to complete my SLI system at that time. I too seen better success with the 7800 setup ;D I just wished OB was on the west coast... much better pings for me! I can kill a lot easier in the Monsoon servers but the play style is different there due to the stupid stats. Rob, Thanks for all the info that you have provided too as it cleared up some of the gray areas that I may have overlooked and had a hard time finding definitive answers too. I may be pushing my Antec 550W PS to it's limit powering the twin 8800's but all seems well thru the 2-1/2 months I been running them. It's my gaming computer so I have just the basics hooked up to do the job. To all, Yes, there will always be better stuff just around the corner to upgrade with. If you do upgrade, just be sure it will do the job that it was intended for and be satisfied with you purchase |
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Post by Robapps1 on Apr 5, 2007 15:04:41 GMT -5
King one thing is also you have a ANtec Powersupply so when it says 550watts it is a TRUE 550watts.... Some of the no-named lower rated brands claim they are pushing TRUE wattage but in fact they rate them on MAXIMUM Wattage.... Take like a no named brand PS rated at 550watts they may only push a RMS of about 300watts with a Max. (before it grenaded) of 550watts... Same basic principal with Speakers.... RMS vs. Maximum...
Sgt check out TOMSHARDWARE.com for details on the R600 GPU (aka ATI x2600 series)...
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Post by kingme on Apr 5, 2007 15:15:49 GMT -5
Yep, I made sure it was the Antec TruePower 550W.
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Post by Arooke on Apr 5, 2007 15:58:30 GMT -5
Thanks Rob you made everything CLEAR AS MUD LOL. BTW i think stone found the fix for the issue i was having, so hopefully after that i will be problems free!!!! Although for what its worth i think for my first ever build id say it was pretty much prob free!! So thanks to Stone and everyone else who gave me tips and info.
"I LOVE YOU GUYS!! EXPECIALLY YOU SGTO42!! LMAO
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Post by Liam on Apr 6, 2007 0:06:18 GMT -5
Very Good Info.  Thank you, Liam |
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